Last night (UK time) there was a heated debate taking place between Nonac (BNP Supporter) and Hugo Rudd ( Conservative) regarding the issue of sharing a political platform for the purposes of debate. The idea of not sharing a public debating forum with the likes of the BNP is prevalent within most mainstream political parties and a notion I find quite worrying. I believe that not allowing the BNP to debate their policies in public means that they can publicise their spin without any means of having to defend and explain the real agenda in public. Do you remember the Home Secretaries Heckler and how when interviewed for the radio his real agenda was uncovered, a very public revelation of a very worrying and dangerous agenda. Without that public forum we would never have heard his true purpose and his vision for the UK.
Arthur 2 sheds came up with a wonderful suggestion when I said that I would like to see the BNP on Question time with the other political players. He suggested that Nick Griffin and Tony Benn could participate in the same edition - wouldnt that be something to behold. I think if anyone can get under Griffins spin and reveal the real BNP Ideology it would be Tony Benn. What do you think?
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Munzly
- http://poppycock.blog.co.uk/
- 2007-03-28 @ 11:58:35
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:33:49
I would love to be in the audience on that question time munzly.
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Rooticalee
- http://www.che-lives.com/home/
- 2007-03-28 @ 13:28:19
I completely agree Shaz they should be given a platform whereby their racist filth can be challenged. At the end of the day a democracy works better when all viewpoints can be voiced in the marketplace of ideas where influence is won and lost. Now QT is a case in point and I would very very much love to see Tony Benn wipe the floor with Griffin and expose him for the little Nazi he is.
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:34:44
me too rooticalee, I thought Benn was great with the american the other night on QT.
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- 2007-03-28 @ 17:39:42
WHAT A FUCKING WANKY BLOG
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 17:45:01
thanks hugo
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jenray
Pro - http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2007-03-28 @ 17:40:37
Yes, Shaz, after disagreeing with you so heatedly re Thatcher :-), I agree with you this time. Anyway, doesn't a democracy mean that everybody has a voice no matter how repellent, and I've always liked Tony Benn's ideas, trouble is most of his fellow politicians didn't think like him..unfortunately.
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:35:39
I think he tells the truth too often for his fellow politicians to stomach - the truth doesnt go down well when it conflicts with the party line on matters.
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- 2007-03-28 @ 17:54:11
Well, keep on having your ridiculous little discussion. The end result is more people hear the BNP, our legitimate, decent politicians are used by the fascist BNP to legitimise their discussions. I say let them arrange their own events, let them seek their publicity, but never attempt to use my money, either donated through my political party, or through my taxes, to put my MP on the same platform as one of the BNP.
Idiotic, moronic and utter PC shite, to say that these people have an equal right to the freedoms they're seeking to deny others, and absolute balderdash to put the BNP in the same category as legitimate political parties.
Of the brain-damaged approach being taken to politics today, in this era of blasι indifference to the extremes in politics, one could scarcely find a better example. Zombification of politics will lead the extremes to power, inless some people are prepared to stand up against them.-
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 17:59:30
I think that the majority find the idea of giving these goons in suits a platform unpalatable, but I maintain that I believe it to be infinitely more dangerous to allow them to publicise their spin without any debate with those who would uncover the dangerous ideology which lies behind their policies. They need exposed and in a very public way. If we continue to allow them to continue as they are we will find that the party support grows and we will see them sitting on the benches in the H of C. and that will be the beginning of very dangerous times politically.
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sunnycreatives
- http://www.sunnycreatives.co.uk
- 2009-05-29 @ 21:29:06
I regularly go to BNP meetings and have never found any racists there.
I would love to see Nick Griffin on Question time. He has been suggested as a panel member on many occasions but the British Brainwashing Corporation won't allow the BNP to take part in any discussions on the programme.
It didn't stop Question Time letting people spout all kinds of lies about the BNP in the most recent programme. I am beginning to wonder if there are 2 BNPs as the one talked about on Question Time was nothing like the one I am a member of. -
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Rooticalee
- http://www.che-lives.com/home/
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:42:41
Ok let's try it your way. Let's let them recruit on the streets spreading their racist filth and not be held accountable to prove they can deliver on their 'policies'. That's just asking for them to grow stronger.You must be off your head sunbeam
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- 2007-10-26 @ 02:14:48
Well Shazza yae hiv really done it now you've managed to come up with somthing that forces me on the side of tory boy rudd,
so much so that i cant add anything to what he has said,in this case he is right{oh the feckin pain of it}.
so thanks M8, now i'm off tae ma bed for a month to recover will be sending the boys round to collect for loss of earnings{lmfao joke there}
oops i just puked-
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-10-27 @ 14:15:52
Don't you think its more dangerous not to know what they are thinking. Isn't there a danger in giving them a claim to being denied freedom of speech? They have used this over and over again as a method to get people to sympathise with them - we see nonac using this very tactic to some effect in chatrooms - a political party who uses it to gain sympathy is a dangerous entity. I want to hear what they have to say - so I can argue against their plans. What worries me greatly is the way they have become adept at using language to conceal their unchanged ideologies - this is managing to fool people greatly - at least if we can hear what they are doing we can use tools such as Critical Discourse Analysis to uncover their ideological position and counter it - enabling the electorate to hear what they are really saying instead of the linguistic spin they want the public to hear.
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- 2007-10-28 @ 04:58:04
what you dont know what the bnp are thinking? i dont think so and as for nonacs tactics to gain sympathy well that would be because he is allowed a platform in NIPL8 which brings us right back to the original point..NO PLATFORM FOR FECKIN NAZI'S PERIOD
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jenray
Pro
- http://www.jenniferhunter.co.uk
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:14:30
Ouch, I think Hugo's defending his views very strongly, unfortunately, such rhetoric can be very similar to that expressed by the BNP members over their pet hates.
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:38:17
Hugo defends his position very well and very eloquently (sp?) as usual, i just found the entire debate last night very interesting and thought I would post about it.
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Munzly
- http://poppycock.blog.co.uk/
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:40:48
I agree with Jenray, when somebody has to resort to insult, they've lost the argument.
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Rooticalee
- http://www.che-lives.com/home/
- 2007-03-28 @ 19:45:47
Yeah Shaz Tony B had Bolton runnin scared. See the bit where Dimbleby asked him to respond to Tony's comments and he just blustered something like "I'm not even gonna respond to the likes of Tony Benn'. Yeah right Bolton because you know he'd wipe the floor with you with his sharp intellect.
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- 2007-03-29 @ 16:42:20
When someone begins to use insults, it's a signal of disrespect to the other participants in the discussion, not a signal of having lost the argument. Frankly, I speak the truth on this one, and I am unconcerned about others' views on it. Comparing my views with those of the fascist BNP was a completely unpredictable response.
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-03-29 @ 16:52:26
I agree again hugo - ad hominem attacks are a major indication that the person making them has little or no substance to their argument.
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- 2007-03-29 @ 19:31:06
i have problems with no platform for anyone cos it has implications for freedom of speech. If the centre and the left politicians cant make the BNP look like the nasty facists they are in public then they need to go back and maybe look at thier tatics and arguments not claim the BNP should have no platform.
It also attemps to give them some legitimacy allowing them to claim the authorities are "too afraid" the public may agree with thier policies.
Above all we shouldnt be afraid to debate,in public,our political opponents and if we allow the no platform policy for the BNP and far right who will be next. the so call "thin end of the wedge" -
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shaz_the_prole
- 2007-10-29 @ 09:40:47
Nonac is a way of us understanding why idiots support the BNP isnt he? My worry would be driving an ideology underground - providing the BNP with a basis for getting media attention by screaming what about freedom of speech and then they get their message out by saying they are being denied a platform because ...... I would much rather they be allowed to participate and fail miserably because at every turn they are countered through exposure of their ideologies and by reasoned alternative strategies and debate.
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sunnycreatives
- http://www.sunnycreatives.co.uk
- 2009-09-12 @ 00:27:05
Looks like the BBC have caved in. I can't wait to see what the BNP have to say when they show up on Question Time in October.
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Sounds good to me. Save me a ticket in the front row.